Here are your questions for chapters 13-15. Please respond online, and to at least two of your peers by Sunday, March 13th at midnight
Chapter 13
1. What are the differences between Holmes and Stapleton? Similarities? Based on what you know of each character, are their reactions to Selden's death expected? Explain.
2. How do you feel about Holmes' reaction to the discovery that Selden was the dead man? Do you think less of his character becasue of this? Why or why not?
Chapter 14
1. How has Stapleton manipulated his wife and Mrs. Lyons? Does it seem that anyone who is capable of using love against someone can actually love? Does Stapleton actually love his wife? Why or why not?
2. Discuss how love is turned against people in this novel. Does it seem that all love is doomed to be expoloited in this story? explain
Chapter 15
1. Do you believe that concealing the hound for so long was an effective measure of suspense? Why/why not? Would you have brought the hound in earlier? Describe some of the hints that the hound was not actually supernatural.
Chap. 13
ReplyDelete1. Aside from the obvious difference that Holmes is the protagonist and Stapleton is the antagonist, I could not find many other differences between the chaaracters. They are alike in the way that they think. Both men take into account every possible aspect of a plan before going through with it. They are also able to think on their feet, this is shown by the way that Stapleton reacts to finding out that Selden was the dead man in palce of Henry. His reaction to the death of Selden was completely unexpected. When he saw the body, he was expecting it to be Henry. When it wasn't his face turned ghastly and he had to hide his disappointment. Holmes' reaction was not expected either, he was greatful to find out that the dead man was Selden. So happy, in fact, that he started to laugh and dance.
2. I do not think less of Holmes by the way that he reacted to Selden's death. He was happy that it wasn't Henry. He did not know Selden very well, so he did not have any deep feeling towards him.
Chap. 14
1. Stapleton manipulated the women into persuade Charles to go onto the moor at night, so that when he released the dog on Charles, the death would fit in with the legend. Stapleton's feelings toward his wife were all a lie, he used her to get to the Baskervilles and he did not trust her to keep quiet, so he tied her up on the night that he was planning to kill Henry.
2. Love is used against many people in the story. Stapleton faked emotions toward both Mrs. Lyons and Mrs. Stapleton. Both these relationships however turned on Staplton because both women gave Holmes useful information to help the investigation. In the story all the relationships were exploited by the way that the investigation panned out.
Chap. 15
1. Yes, the moves that Stapleton made, helped set a suspenseful atmosphere in the novel. I would have kept the hound secretive for as long as possible, so that it would not have given Holmes a chance to see where it hides out or what it does after it is sent out. I would do this to keep my identity secret for as long as I could. The fact that many of the townspeople can explain sightings of the hound and they have heard it on the moor. Also the things that Selden told Holmes helped to reveal the hound a a real dog and not a supernatural being.
Chapter 13
ReplyDelete1. There were a few differences between Holmes and Stapleton throughout the story. An obvious one is that Stapleton uses his intellect for his own personal gain, while Holmes uses his to help others around him. Another difference is that throughout the novel, Stapleton uses his brains to cover up what has been going on, while Holmes uses his to shed light on the situation. Some of the similarities between the two are the way the think. Both of these characters are very intelligent by the way they behave throughout the story. They are also both very thorough in what they do. Stapleton went to great lengths to get what he wanted from the Baskervilles without getting caught, while Holmes also went above and beyond to find who had done this. Also, they were both ambitious in what they did. Stapleton was ambitious in getting rid of Sir Henry because of personal gain, and Holmes was ambitious to help others as well as maintaining his personal reputation. I thought that their reactions to Selden's death were somewhat expected. It made sense that Stapleton was disappointed that it was not Sir Henry because his main objective throughout the book was to kill him. Holmes was less expected however. It makes sense that he was relieved that it wasn't Sir Henry who had died, but I was expecting that he would have at least shown some sympathy towards the situation.
2. I thought that Holmes' reaction to Selden's death made him seem like less of the hero he is. It made sense that he was happy it was not Sir Henry who was the dead man since he was trying to protect him. However, I was expecting him to have a more serious reaction rather than being happy about the situation. It almost made him seem as if he did not care if others were harmed throughout his investigation as long as he got done what needed to be done.
Chapter 14
1. He manipulated both women by using them in return for his "love". He used Mrs. Lyons affection towards him as a ploy to get Charles onto the moor at night. He had no plans to actually ever be with her, he just took advantage of the situation to get what he wanted done. To me, it seems that the only love Stapleton is capable of is loving himself. To him, it does not matter who he steps on, as long as he gets what he wants. I think Stapleton has affection towards his wife but does not love her. He felt jealous of the relationship that was starting to develop between her and Sir Henry, but at the same time, had no trust in her when he bound her up when he was trying to kill Sir Henry.
2. It seemed that all relationships that involved Stapleton were turned against other people. For example, he used the love Mrs. Lyons felt towards him as a ploy to get Sir Charles onto the moor at night. In the end, basically all of the relationships in the story were exploited by Stapleton for his own selfish ambitions.
Chapter 15
ReplyDelete1. I think that concealing the hound throughout most of the story did set up a lot of suspense. The author spent most of his time focused on incriminating the Barrymore's through their suspicious behavior and Selden's presence. The hound was periodically mentioned, but was often pushed aside as a real possibility by both the characters and the readers. I would not have brought the hound into the story earlier because that would destroy all of the suspense that was built up. Most who read this thought it was either that Stapleton's or the Barrymore's who did this. However, no one expected that Stapleton actually used a hound as his murder weapon. There were several hints that the hound was not supernatural. When Henry first arrived in London, he noticed one of his brand-new boots was stolen. The very next day, one of his older ones was stolen as well. This was because Stapleton need his hound to pick up Sir Henry's scent for when he would begin the attack. All of the townspeople also reported having seen and heard the hound around the mire. The fact that Stapleton knew his way around Grimpen Mire so well and the baying of the hound that happened nearby also shows that the hound was real. Finally, when Watson and Sir Henry were on the moor, they heard the baying of the hound off in the distance in the same direction as the Grimpen Mire.
1. Ironically Holmes and Stapleton are similar in the way that they think. they are both secretive, but brilliant. They are both sneaky and shy. they both want to discover and catch things which interests them. sherlock prefers criminals while Stapleton prefers bugs. it was not too surprising that Sherlock could realize the death to be accidental and ment for someone else. Stapleton actually without seeing the body expects the body to be Sir Henry, but when finds out who really died he, "Stapleton turned a ghastly face upon us, but by a supreme effort he had overcome his amazement and his disappointment" (136). These reactions provide the clues as to who the murderer is.
ReplyDelete2. When Holmes' "had uttered a cry and bent over the body. now he was dancing and laughing and wringing my hand. Could this be my stern, self-contained friend ? These were hidden fires indeed!" (134). I do not think any less than Holmes. It is in his character in being a detective to be excited on a clue discovery. It just happens to be that the mistaken death was a big clue.
1. Stapleton made Mrs. Lyons think that he loved her and offered her a marriage so that she could divorce her husband. He used her to work Sir Charles and to get him out on the moor the night he died. He used his sister to get at Sir Henry and to distracted him and lead him into danger. I think that love can be used against someone but may actually turn into true love. Miss Stapleton does end up falling in love with Sir Henry because Stapleton even take precautions to tie her up when he plans to let the hound loose.
2. Love is commonly used to turn against character in this novel. Love is used as murder in many ways. The lust/love that hugo had for the girl was the cause of the bad omen and reputation that followed the Baskervilles throughout the years. Love conjured up the danger in Charles and Henry's life. Love threatened their logical sense and well being.
1. I believe that concealing the hound was a great way of suspense. The reader is not sure if the hound is real or not. and if it is real who does the hound belong to? All these factors add to the possible outcome of the story affecting the amount of suspense. I would not have brought the hound in early, i think it was perfect shock and excitement with the reader to find out that Henry was not only in life danger but that a dog was the cause of the danger and not a supernatural being. The hound was not supernatural because of the foot prints that were found around Charles' body and the constant eerie sound of a baying hound in the Grimpen Mire.
in response to Alex I liked your point about how Stapleton not only faked his emotions for Lyons but also for Miss Stapleton. I did not think that he may have not liked Miss Stapleton and used her for a respectable reputation and used her to aid in his urge to over power and be in control of others.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Ryan, I have to disagree with you about Holmes' reactions to Seldens death. Holmes is not a typical character that you and i would be used to. He is different in his way of ideas of things and thought process of how he can figure things out. it is evident to the reader that Holmes is not an affectionate character, his mind set is strictly logic and not emotional so a death would just simple be another problem that needed to be solved rather than a emotional let down that someone is gone forever.
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ReplyDelete1. Besides their moral standards, Holmes and Stapleton are very similar. Both love power, are very clever, and are cool-headed in pressure situations. Stapleton acted how I thought he would on seeing that Selden had been killed and not Sir Henry. I was surprised at how Sherlock Holmes reacted. I thought he would have made sure that the man was Sir Henry before freaking out, especially as he prided himself on being a practical man.
2. I did not see anything wrong with how he acted. He was simply relieved that Sir Henry was not dead. It is not like he was rejoicing over the death of Selden, so I do not think less of his character.
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1. Stapleton obviously manipulated Beryl and Laura through his professed love for them. Stapleton is probably suffering from a lack of love in his childhood plus he is blinded by power, so at this point in his life (the time that the novel captures) he is probably not capable of love. Plus, true love is selfless, and every move that Stapleton made in the novel was from a selfish motive.
2. Love was obviously manipulated a lot in this novel, but that doesn't mean that it was not there in certain people. Though perhaps unrequited, Sir Henry's love for Beryl was true. Perhaps even though she was abused, Beryl's love at first was true for Stapleton. Also the Barrymores were always true to each other. Mr. Barrymore kept his wife's secret and helped Selden, and Mrs. Barrymore stood up for her husband.
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1. I thought that there being an actual hound was a little anticlimactic. Even though Stapleton used phosphorous in making the hound scary, I was expecting something more cunning and scientific. I thought it was smart of Doyle to conceal the hound until the end though, because if he had not, the conclusion of the mystery would have be boring and drawn out.
In response to Ryan,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about what you said about Holmes on finding Selden dead. I agree that perhaps he should have been more professional about the whole business. He was not, however, calloused to the Barrymores about it.
In response to Malinda,
I agree with you on almost everything accept that I do not think that love is the reason that Charles was murdered and Henry almost so. I believe that it was a complete lack of love that initially brought the "curse" upon them. The lack of love (or anything of moral value) in Stapleton was the main cause of their danger.
In response to Malinda: I thought you came up with a lot of great points. However, instead of the aspect of love being the cause for the Baskerville deaths, it was rather how the love was taken advantage of and used for personal gain. Instead of it being the sole cause, it was almost like the avenue for the deaths, but not the direct cause.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Grace: I agree that the hound was somewhat of a disappointment, but I was still surprised by it. I was hoping the actual murder would be more obscure as you stated, but not a recreation of the Baskerville legend.
@Grace (Ch. 13-1) - You make a good point in that it would seem that Holmes would make sure who the body was before drawing any conclusions. At the same time, I'm sure when he saw a dead body in Sir Henry's clothes, he couldn't help but panic thinking that his investigation was a failure.
ReplyDelete@Malinda (Ch. 14-1) - I think that you may be partly right in saying that Miss Stapleton was beginning to fall in love with Sir Henry, but I think a lot of it may have been out of fear of her husband. Coming from an abusive relationship like the one she was in, it probably was a relief to be around a normal guy that cares for her.
Ch. 13
ReplyDelete1. Holmes and Stapleton are obviously different in that they are on opposite sides of the justice system. But while they have opposing motives and goals, they still are worthy adversaries because of their similar skill level. Each has a very careful attention to detail; Holmes with noticing and interpreting clues and Stapleton in disguising his crimes and keeping everything under cover. The event of Seldon’s death is interesting because both characters thought it was Sir Henry, and each had opposite reactions to it. Stapleton wanted Sir Henry to be murdered, so it fits that he would be surprised and frightened that it was not. But he also stays true to his character in that he still covers it up. Holmes on the other hand is elated to find out that Sir Henry isn’t actually dead. If Sir Henry was to die, Holmes would feel that he failed in solving the mystery, so the actual results gave him hope.
2. I can understand his excitement because right as he thought he had failed and hope was lost, he was given another chance. It may seem that he is being insensitive in his joyous reaction to a man’s death, but I think that may be a result of his occupation. He probably has a lot of experience with death and disturbing situations, so he has probably been desensitized to a certain degree. His mind was probably completely focused on what it meant to his investigation.
Ch. 14
1. Stapleton has manipulated both his wife and Mrs. Lyons by backstabbing them for the sake of his crimes. He is very controlling of his wife and she really has no choice but to submit to his demands. And at the same time, he doesn’t even tell her most of what is going on, so rather than being an accomplice, she is just being used. Mrs. Lyons was used by him as well as he convinced her that they were in love just so that she could send the invitation that he needed for Sir Charles to cross the moor. She was left confused and broken from thinking she was loved. Stapleton had turned love into something that didn’t matter to him anymore, so he was able to use it however he wanted. He seems to view his wife in a material way like she is just an object that belongs to him, because if he genuinely loved her he wouldn’t do those things.
2. Every situation in the novel that appears to be love ends up being broken in the end. The visible love interest in the story comes between Miss Stapleton and Sir Henry. Sir Henry does not know that she is actually Mr. Stapleton’s wife, and so in the end he finds that he can’t have her. Then Mr. and Mrs. Stapleton also have a broken relationship as he uses her to accomplish his crimes. The same is true for Mrs. Lyons as she divorces her husband all in the belief that Mr. Stapleton actually loved her; something that ended up just being a lie. So from the examples in the plot, it would seem that love within a mystery is just doomed from the start.
Ch. 15
1. I think that concealing the hound was necessary for the suspense of the mystery. A mystery needs to have elements that are unknown to the reader as well as the characters in the novel. By just giving little glimpses of the hound throughout the story, it leaves blanks for the reader to fill in with any possibility they can think of. But in the end the hound is not supernatural, which was hinted to with the stolen boots that were used for their scent, as well as Stapleton knowing his way around Grimpen Mire and the fact that townspeople had repeatedly heard a hound around those parts.
Chapter 13:
ReplyDelete1. Holmes and Stapleton are quite alike in many aspects.they are both very peticular about details. they like to solve things and they are very thorough. the main difference is that Holmes is on the right side of the law and Stapleton is not. Yes, both of the character's reactions to Selden's death were completely expected. Holmes' was just expressing his feelings about the situation and Stapleton was completely acting.
2.I think that Holmes' reaction was completely acceptable. He was just showing his emotions to the situation at hand. He was excited that his main man, Sir Henry was still alive and that he (Holmes) would not have to start from square one in solving the mystery. I do not think less of his character for showing emotion. I think its cool when genuine emotion is shown.
Chapter 14:
1. Stapleton made his wife believe that he loved her and that what he was doing was for a good cause. He made Laura Lyons believe that he loved her and was going to marry her. But he just used her to get to Sir Charles. I don't think that he is actually capable of loving. I think that his obsessions are all he knows and if he were to try to live selflessly for somebody else i don't think he could do it. I think that Stapleton did love his wife, but then all of this hound business switched up his priorities. He became obssessed with getting what he wanted that he forgot about what he had.
2. Sir Henry thought that he loved Miss Stapleton but she refused his "love". He finds out later that she is actually married to Mr. Stapleton. Mr. Stapleton turns his love towrads his wife into a messed up relationship. He makes Laura Lyons believe that he loves her. Even Frankland and Laura's relationship has seen the bad side of love. It seems that most all love in this story has somehow been exploited.
Chapter 15:
1. I think that by hiding the hound for so long the reader will forget about it. It did not really bring suspense into the novel. The Hound was just another part of the book. I would have had more mysteries that included the hound so that the reader would never forget that there was this myth about a hound. The howling of the hound indicated that it was not supernatural, and the wounds it got from the gun, the shoes it needed for scent and the footprints.
In response to Alicia's question 15. I thought it was interesting that you thought the hound should be included sooner or more often. I agree the hound was just part of the story, but I felt the mystery was more on who controlled the hound and not if the hound was real or not. If the hound had been mentioned more in the story do you think it would have taken away from how the story ended?
ReplyDeleteIn response to Grace's Chapter 13 question 1. I think your thought that Holmes should have checked the body before freaking out because he was a practical man, was a really good point. I didn't think to look at it that way. I just automatically assumed any person would react that way when being deceived to believe it they truly care about.
In Response to Malinda (14-2):
ReplyDeleteI forgot about Hugo's lust/love that had "brought" this whole shenanigan on the Baskervilles. It really seems as though this whole book is based on love gone wrong/bad.
In Response to Grace (15):
I somewhat agree with you. I think that the hound could have been put to a better use creating suspense and what not in the novel. But I also agree that it was good for Doyle to wait to the end or else the ending of the mystery would have been horrible.
In response to Ryan W: I like what you said that Stapleton was only capable of loving himself and that because of it, it led him to act the way that he did towards the two women. I agree with what you said about Stapleton's relationship with Mrs. Stapleton. I did not think that he had had any feelings toward her, but his jealousy towards how Henry reacted to her proved that to be wrong.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Ryan L: I agree with you that keeping the hound secretive was necessary to build up suspense. I like how you said that every mystery novel needs to have something unknown in it to make it more enjoyable to the reader. The way that the author set up the legend around the hound made it seem like it was supernatural, Stapleton used this to his advantage and made his hound do all the killing.
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ReplyDelete1.)Surprisingly there are not very many differences between the two men. Both are very intellectual. The main difference though is the way they use the intelligence. Stapleton looks for way to gain things in his own life. He is willing to stretch his mind to find ways to help himself out. While on the other hand Holmes uses his intellegnce for the good of those who ask for his help. He also seems to enjoy the work he does so this like Stapleton brings him satisfaction. The satisfaction though differs; Holmes' satisfaction reaches out to others while Stapleton's does not.
2.)Holmes' reaction to the death of Seldon is not that strange. He helps capture people like Seldon therefore for him to feel great remorse would have been stranger.
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1.)I think the only person Stapleton can love is himself. He has played both of the women in his life. He gave out fake love to gain from both of them. That is his true love to watch his life gain from others. He does not really care about anyone else, he would do anything to get what he wants. He does not care how he gets there he just wants more.
2.) Love or even fake love seems to play a large role in the novel. Love seems to doom anyone in this novel. Even fake love is used to others advantage. It is almost used as a sentence to something happeneing to the person. Love even in life can sentence someone to pain and rejection. It is a natural thing that people fall for and the novel uses this to its advantage.
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1.)Concealing the hound was a smart thing to do. I would have done the same thing. It keeps the suspense of the story alive and keeps the reafers guessing. Most readers would think the murderer is a person so to have it be an actual hound is different. This though matches the entire novel. The readers are consesntly guessing on who it is. Leads are brought up for almost everyone and it averts the attention away from the hound.
respnse to ryan 13,2--I agree in that Holmes train of thought is not like most people's. He thinks as a detective and that is it. He thinks about the case and everything that matters to it. The fact that it is a man hasn't escaped his emtions its just that his emotions are trained to react differently.
ReplyDeleteresponse to alicia 15--I don't doubt that some people forgot about the hound through the book. But at the same time most poeple probably kept it in the back of their mind. By averting the attention off the hound it is more of a surprise at the end. All mystery books need a good surprise and this is one of them.
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ReplyDeleteThe differences between Holmes & Stapleton are namely that Holmes is working to discover who killed Sir Charles, and that Stapleton is working to keep the fact that he did it hidden. Both are very good at hiding what they know about things.
I am not surprised by their reactions to Selden’s death because Stapleton cannot let Holmes see his disappointment that its not Sir Henry that is dead because that would raise suspicions. Holmes also cannot let Stapleton see that he knows that Stapleton is guilty because if Stapleton knew that Holmes suspected him then matters would be greatly complicated.
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I don’t think any less of Holmes because he didn’t want the dead man to be Henry and he was actually very glad that it wasn’t Henry. Holmes only knew of Selden through Watson’s letters to Holmes regarding the Barrymores, so he had no real connection to Selden.
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Stapleton has manipulated his wife by controlling her as best he could and trying to get her to do his will. He manipulated Mrs. Lyons by telling her some things that she wanted to hear knowing that she would do what he wanted her to do that way.
I don’t think that someone who uses love against someone can actually love because if they loved someone they would never use that to control them.
I don’t think that Stapleton loves his wife because of the way that he used and abused her. He treated her like a tool in his scheme.
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Love is turned against people in this novel because it is used as a tool to control them. Love is doomed to be exploited in this story because it is really only used that way by Stapleton who used it to control his wife and Mrs. Lyons.
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I think that concealing the hound for so long was an effective way to build suspense because it made who wonder where it was, if it was really the hound that was making the depressing calls and scaring people at all times of the day.
I would not have brought the hound in earlier because it would have messed with the story line.
The only hint that I had that the hound was not supernatural before it was shot was the mid-day baying. In my mind if it was truly satanic then you would not have heard it during the day, but maybe that is just me.
The proof that the hound was not supernatural came when it was shot and gave a cry of pain, and then when it was shot again and died. Another thing that proved its earthlyness was that Watson was able to determine that it was covered in a mixture that made it glow.
In Response to Alicia:
ReplyDeleteMight the few appearances of the hound make it seem more like a myth & less like reality which is what Stapleton wanted?
In response to Grace:
ReplyDeleteHow do you think that Stapleton could make the hound more scientific and still seem like a dog?
Chapter 13:
ReplyDeleteQuestion 1-- I found it somewhat difficult to find the differences between Holmes and Stapleton other than the obvious fact of their differentiating morals: Holmes being good and Stapleton's being bad. I did however find it easy to point out their similarities. Like the fact they both have brilliant minds. Both men are logical thinkers who weigh all possibly outcomes and prepare for each if they were to occur. Each man is very practical in his ways and both are very secretive and cunning. Both men are very dedicated to doing what they love. For Holmes it is solving mysteries while for Stapleton it is catching bugs. As a result of their character's both men's reactions to Selden's death was not surprising to me. Due to Holmes mindboggling frantic character I found his relieved dancing reaction to be unexplainable but expected, just like I found Stapleton's reaction. His utter surprises and hidden disappointment fit his deceitful manipulative character perfectly.
Question 2-- I personally did not think any less of Holmes after his reaction to Selden's death. After all Selden was a convicted criminal who had murdered people and Holmes had no personal relation with him. I think it was perfectly normal for Holmes’s to be overjoyed that it was not Sir Henry as he had feared, especially since he spent too much time and effort in trying to save him.
Chapter 14:
Question 1-- Stapleton lead both his wife and Mrs. Lyons into believing he truly loved them and that if they did what he asked he would love them even more. For Mrs. Lyons, Stapleton led her to think he was a single man who would marry her if she was to divorce her current husband and lure Sir. Charles onto the moor the night of which he died. Stapleton also led his own wife to believe that he loved her when really; he only used her as a tool to help him accomplish all his evil plans. He didn't respect her and he didn't even regard her as his wife. He made her do what he said and keep her mouth shut while at it. As a result of this I think that people who uses love to manipulate people are not necessarily unable to love, but that they do not love the person they are manipulating. Manipulation is used by selfish people who don't care who they hurt as long as they get what they want. So I don't believe that Selden ever truly loved his wife. He honestly only used her to help him out, but I don't think he is incapable of ever loving someone in the long run.
Question 2-- Throughout the whole novel love is exploited to be doomed. It begins with Hugo trying to convince the Yeoman's daughter to love him. When that back fires on him it sets up the rest of love cases in the novel to also backfire. For example: Mr. Stapleton saying he loved both his wife and Mrs. Lyons when really he didn't love either, or Sir Henry loving Mrs. Stapleton and being unaware that she is actually Stapleton's wife. The only account of love in the story that seems to not be doomed is the Barrymore's who seem to truly love each other and have a lasting relationship. Every other case of love in the novel is doomed to be exploited.
Chapter 15
Question 1-- I personally think keeping the hound out of the story so long made the novel more suspenseful. I think the author left the hound out long enough and I don't think I would have changed it myself. It kept the readers wondering is there really a hound or is it only a person trying to kill the Baskervilles. The author did give hints about the hound being real. The howl throughout the moor at different times was the biggest. It was impossible to only be considered a coincidence and was a big give away to the legend being true. The author also included paw prints that would not come from anything other than the hound itself. While it was nice to ponder if the hound was supernatural the author made it reasonable to hypothesize the hound was real.
Ch. 13
ReplyDelete1. When looking at Stapleton and at Holmes, they both share several similar personality traits. Both are exceptional critical thinkers, thorough in their work, and extremely intelligent. There do have a couple of differing characteristics though. First, Stapleton is doing all of his hard work for himself, he is not thinking of anybody but himself. Holmes, on the other hand does his work all for others. He works only to help others in tough situations.
The situation concerning Selden's death displays both their similarities and their differences. Stapleton, as expected, is very surprised when he realizes the body isn't Henry's. Holmes is also surprised, but not because his plan failed, but because he thought he failed as a detective.
2. I was kind of surprised when I read how Holmes reacted to Selden's dead body, but that is simply because I was surprised. I understand why Holmes didn't feel much sympathy, and I believe that reason to be the fact that he had a serious feeling he just lost Sir Henry, and he was relieved when it wasn't him. Also, he still must focus on the case since Henry is alive.
Ch. 14
1. Stapleton, through deception and deceit, used both Mrs. Lyons and his wife to help his terrible plan. He used his wife by making his love seem real, while he was enticing Henry with her beauty. He used Mrs. Lyons simply to get to Sir Charles. This situation is much shallower, but he was still extremely manipulative to her, faking his love to her as well.
I believe somebody who uses love to manipulate still can love, but they will have serious troubles doing so. In the situation in the novel, I believe Stapleton could possibly love his wife, but he doesn't. His need to fulfill his plan has overtaken everything else in his life.
2. All the "love" in the novel that is involved with Stapleton was doomed from the start. The love Mrs. Lyons felt for him was only to exploit Sir Charles, and the love his wife felt for him was only to draw Sir Henry closer.
The love involved with Stapleton in the story was going to be exploited from the very beginning.
Ch. 15
1. I do feel like concealing the hound's indentity for the duration of the novel was affective because it kept me (the reader) wondering how the people were truly dying.
I would have done the exact same thing the author of the novel did. He did an exceptional job at keeping the reader enticed and wanting to read more.
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ReplyDeleteThe biggest difference between Holmes and stapleton is the use to which thwy put their intelligence. Both men are incredibly smart. One is the puzzle maker, the other, the puzzle solver. Both put their Smartskins to work, *yat in different ways. I think it was expected the way tht stapleton responded to the dearh because he found oit it was the qrong person. I didn't think Holmes reaction was expwcted tho
I think less of Holmes because it kinda shows that he sees the whole thing as a game that he needs to beat. The fact that he doesn't care abpit thw death shows that he sees the case as a challenge to amuse and brag about himself rather than trying to help out the good of humanity.
In response to Alicia's Ch. 15,
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how the reader could possibly forget about one of the main components of the novel. The hound is extremely vital to the story, and does add serious suspense and questioning.
In response to Kay's Ch.13 #2,
I agree with her overall feelings concerning Holmes after Selden's death. Holmes had many things on his mind, and had to protect Henry. The only thing I disagree with is the thought that because Selden is a criminal, he deserves to die.
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ReplyDelete1) the obvious difference between holmes and stapleton is that holmes is good and stapleton is bad. these two charaters have more things in common than things that are different. they both are very smart and plan things out. but when they plan things its never planned out exactly. they make plans and sometimes change them as they go. and the readers never know what they will do next. thier reaction to selden's death is what i expected from both holmes didnt know who it was at first and then he figured it out but stapleton reacted like i though because i didnt really think it was him untill after that.
2)i think holmes reasction to his death is what anyone who works for the law would say or do. they dont look at the death of a criminal as a real loss. so i think his reation was correct in that sense and it doesn't make me think less of hos character.
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1)stapleton use the two women as tools he doesn't think of them as someone who he loves but as someone he can use to get what he want and i think he cant actually love someone because he thinks of all of them as tools in his plan.
2)the love through out this story has all been fake love no character actually love someone one there was always a reason behind their "love" for another character.
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1)i think that it did at alot more suspense because we still were not sure that there was even a real hound. i would not have brought the hound in earlier baecuse i think it added more to the story.
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ReplyDeleteStapleton abuses Tue repationshipsbhe has wiith his wife and Mrs Lyons. he uses Lyons to get sir Charles to come out so he gets killed by the hound and the same thing with his wife to sir Henry. I don't think anyone that could use ppl for such selfish reasons is capable of love. If u ask me, the only person he will ever be able to love is himself. I don't believe he even loves his wife.
Love is pretty much awful in this story. Henry has it yhe worst brcaude he falls really hard for somone who is leading him into lies, and death. Syapleton doesn't hav love for crap and Lyons and miss stapleyon have been serioulsy screwed over with love.
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ReplyDeleteKeeping the hound hidden was the rihht thing to do. It gave a supernatural equality to it that kept the reader guessing. It also had a lot of hype and drama leasing up to it.the hints were the missing boots (for scentt) and the sound of it upon the moor
Kayls. I guess I changed my mind about thunjing less of holmes for his reaction. I guess if he just founf out the dead man wasn't the man of whom he was trying to protect, he would be pretty happy.
ReplyDeleteElissa. I thought thw aame thing about staplwtin only loving himself_! You are so smart. I bet we always thought the same stuff about the atoeu!
1. Holmes seems to be the main leader in the pair and Watson follows his commands. So often Watson is not in authority position but rather role playing position to fulfill the bidding of Holmes. They are the same by how they both solve crimes and are intelligent men which can logically work things out and solve crimes. Watson feels bad because he knows the situation Holmes just takes it in stride.
ReplyDelete2. He thinks it a good thing and a relief that it is Sheldon. I do not think less of him because really there is no reason the man was a ruthless murder so it was good he was gone.
1. Stapelton has abused his wife and forced her into doing his evil bidding time and time again by threatening her and make her life hell on end. Mrs. Lyons is tricked into helping him because she loves him she can not see the flaws in his character. Yes that is exactly the case here. No he does not just because she is a tool for him to do his bidding.
2. Love is tool for bad people in this book because in many cases it is used against them. Much like how Mrs. Lyons is tricked into not knowing what she was doing but still helping kill Sir Charles and also Sir Henry almost gets killed because he falls in love with Mrs. Stpaleton and almost dies because of it.
1. Yes it was because I did not know if the hound was real or not in the story. I would have not brought it out earlier because then it would have lessened the plot. Some hints were that nothing else supernatural was happening in the story and things kept being more fishy than magical.
In response to Ryan I like the fact that he mentioned that Stapleton could only love himself. Because I said he could love nobody but this is true he really only loves himself
In response to Grace I agree that the author brought the hound out just at the right time and in result it made the story better.